Tuesday, July 23, 2024

The Sun and Moon Conundrum

Danica's photo of the rising moon and setting sun caused some perplexity. Before I get to that, however, I did decide to adjust her photo. It's not that one should normally be so bold as to edit others' photos, but she is my granddaughter, and I did want to see what Adobe's AI would do with it.

This is the original photo as she sent it via Messenger. The horizon isn't quite straight and the boat detracts from the photo.

In my the edited version, below, I have slightly adjusted the horizon line. That is a common edit, but I have also asked AI to remove the boat, and it did it very well. I think it is a much better image.


Now, onto the puzzle of the rising moon and setting sun appearing together. If the sun sets in the west and the moon rises in the east, how could they appear in the same photo. People wanted to know, and some deduced that both orbs must have been setting. But they weren't. I have correlated the time of the photo (~8:30) with the lunar and solar times last weekend, and they match. 

There are two more pieces of evidence. We also have Danica's photo of the risen moon 45 minutes later. The sun had set, and the moon had risen higher.

The next and final bit of evidence comes from Danica's friend's dad who was supervising the weekend at the cottage. Danica reported that he was very excited, saying that this alignment only occurred once a year.

Case closed: it had been a rising moon and setting sun that Danica saw and photographed.

Now, how do we explain this? Well, I can't really, for the mathematics of this astronomical phenomenon are beyond this poor man's capability, or at least beyond what he is willing to research.

That said, I do have some thoughts.

We all know that both the sun and moon rise in the east and set in the west, so it does seem a bit mind-blowing to see the the rising moon and setting sun at the horizon in the same photo. However, the reality is that they rise toward the east and toward the west. Neither is directly east or west, and neither always rises in the very same sky position.

For example, the sun rises in a very different place and at a very different time in July than it does in January. Meanwhile, the moon also constantly changes both its time and position as it orbits an earth that is spinning below. The full moon, in this case, rises and falls in a different place and at a different time in July than it did in June and than it will do in August.

In summary: the photo and the surrounding facts indicate that the juxtaposition did occur, but that is about all that this poor blogger can offer towards an explanation. I leave it up to those of keener intellect to dig for a deeper elucidation if they so choose.

What a wonderful sighting for Danica! It is one that she will quite probably never witness again, for she would have to be in the right place at the very right time in those few fleeting moments.


18 comments:

Marie Smith said...

It is an amazing photo! Thank you for sharing it, Danica nd you, AC.

Debby said...

What amazes me is how many people were able to view that same phenomenon and, yet, they never even saw it. Well done Danica!~

Barbara Rogers said...

Love hearing more explanations, and I agree, the confusion remains in my mind. But I don't have the lifetime left to figure out all confusing facts, so this one shall remain in the enigma folder in my brain. Did like the AI version of her photo, but the feeling of being on water with boat's swaying on waves is missing. Can't have everything!

Marcia said...

Thanks for the explanation but I'm still flummoxed by the photo. I'll have to talk to my son in law who majored in astronomy. Maybe he can explain it for me.

Sandra said...

I don't even care how, I am simply amazed by the wonder of it.

Jim and Barb's Adventures said...

Very cool. I never knew about the one day a year thing. What AI program do you use?

Margaret said...

I just thought the photo was beautiful and didn't even notice the sun and moon were together. I have tunnel vision sometimes!

Cloudia said...

Very thorough job, You smart man! Aloha

Anvilcloud said...

@Jim and Barb: I only use AI on occasion within Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. It is excellent for removing distractions. For fun, I've tried to add things with only moderate success. I really only want to use AI on a limited basis for editing purposes.

Anvilcloud said...

@Margaret: I also tend to get focused on one thing. Later, I may see another. It can go on and on. ;)

RedPat said...

I do like the shot without the boat.
The moon can be tricky appearing even during daylight but that is still a wonderful phenomenon.

MARY G said...

Amazingly clean edit to lose the boat. I have been trying to find a good explanation of the timing for Danica's wonderful record, but I am not sure one exists that can be easily found. I am getting information that the equinoxes are the best times for double sightings, but most instructions say that the rise and set will be opposite and around 5:00 pm. Yes, it's a tilt thing, I am sure. If I get a better line on it, will report.
Thank you for straightening the horizon. Phew. But from a boat she did well.

roentare said...

It is clean and well executed. It is coldest winter in Australia for decades. I could not motivate myself to go to coasts that much now.

Jeanie said...

What a fascinating sighting. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Well done, Danica, and well done, AC with both the adjustments and the research!

Joanne Noragon said...

It's a great photo.

Granny Sue said...

The photo did not confuse me after I thought about it. I have noticed how the moon's time and place of rising move throughout the year, with the arc getting smaller or larger depending, I suppose, on our orbit and that of the moon. It certainly is a stunning photo. I like your edits too.

Vicki Lane said...

Thanks for the explanation!

Jenn Jilks said...

My grandie, now identifying as he, has been taking some great macros. I am so happy for him. I am working on the pronouns. I'm not too old to learn.