Frank Schaeffer takes extreme issue with that ↑ statement in this ↓ CNN clip which is less than 2 minutes long. He claims that evangelicals don't really believe that at all. Basically, all of their other policies are anti child and family.
In a somewhat related vein, I leave you with ↓ this.
Oops ... a bit more to add. I guess we're all thinking along similar lines these days. The first, below, is what Shauna posted on FB, and the second was Danica's response. Good girls, those.
I always enjoy hearing from Fallopians. Lol.
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ReplyDeleteThe Robert Reich quote is right on too.
Good stuff.
ReplyDeleteAnd so it goes with opinions on abortion and birth control. But the issue is really one of rights of choice...where half the population is no longer given it's constitutional rights. Health decisions are only the tip of an iceberg which can make women (who are more than half the population actually) subservient to men as they were before gaining the right to vote. We really need the ERA, which simply states you can't take their rights away!
ReplyDeleteIt's such a disappointing time to be an American, that's for sure.
ReplyDeleteI agree 100% with Shauna and Danica. In spite of my age, I'm every bit as pro-choice as I always was. I chose to give birth to two children and was in a good position to do so. Many aren't. That is very true that the GOP is NOT pro choice and definitely not pro women's rights.
ReplyDeleteThey make me so, so sick. Love the quotes, especially the Fallopian one.
ReplyDeleteAs you are probably the aware, I'm sort of in the middle of this issues as I am with many. Like the Supreme Court, I don't think our government has any business dealing with this issue and so I'm alright with the decision going to the states. But I don't think it a good decision by the states to ban things completely and would rather see a panel of healthcare professionals having input on any laws passed at that level, not politicians, especially mostly male ones.
ReplyDeleteOn the issue itself, I really don't like either side's attempt to sanitize the issue. The left is making this all about choice and a woman's body and yet many were for vaccine/mask mandates and not allowing choice of what to do with your body. The right is also hypocritical on the matter by saying they are for life and yet many on the right are for death penalties. I think we should focus on improving healthcare and access to birth control so that there isn't a need to kill 73,000,000 fetuses every year around the world. Then we can leave the decision of those raped or in jeopardy of dying to make their own decision under their religious belief system.
I'm not pro abortion, but at the same time, I know there are times when it is necessary. It's my understanding abortion will be denied across the board. Sad indeed.
ReplyDelete@Ed. I don’t see any valid comparison between masking in a pandemic and reproductive choice. Masking is a societal benefit. Everyone who masks is of benefit to everyone else. Society as a whole should matter, The abortion issue is a health or choice issue that affects one person at a time.
ReplyDeleteI do agree about focusing on health care. It has been proven to be the one thing that reduces abortion. Poverty and poor education exacerbate the problem.
I've been itching to write about this. I've been reading a lot. I've seen that quote in a lot of places. That, and until they regulate a penis, hand off!
ReplyDeleteI refuse to call them pro-life, as they don't advocate for better maternal healthcare, postpartum support, support for single moms, day care, and the like.
There are a lot of people who are not Catholic. They have no right to tell me, as a spiritualist, what I should do with my life.
There are a lot of women who are raped, or have ectopic pregnancies.
The funny thing is that abortions went down once birth control came in.
My abortion was in 1975. It was medical, as I was sick as a dog. Entering university. It was failed birth control. I am so angry.
I agree. It bothers me greatly to see our country headed down this path. The same people screaming 'freedom!' and 'Don't tread on me!' are so ready to tread on everyone else's freedoms.
ReplyDeleteProbably the most ironic thing is the people who were shouting 'my body, my choice!' when it came to vaccines and masking are the pro-life contingent.
They're not pro life, they're pro birth. What happens after that is irrelevant to them.
ReplyDeleteWhen we visited Europe during the Vietnam war, we considered trying to pass as Canadians. Again, I am embarrassed for my country.
ReplyDeleteWe have a hard, sad time coming.
ReplyDeleteMy point was that both the mask mandates and abortion are choices about one’s body. So are you willing to say a government can mandate what we do with our bodies as long as it “benefits everyone else?” My next question of course is where do you draw that line of benefit? Is not weeding out rapists and murderers, I.e. death penalties, a benefit to society? Or perhaps when one person has Covid, your government like China decides that everyone is fenced into their house for the next month for the “benefit of everyone.” Anytime we have fuzzy lines drawn in the proverbial sand and a rotating cast of politicians deciding what goes on either side makes for a very slippery slope to extremism. I would rather air on the side of caution and just not have these decisions in the hand of our governments.
ReplyDelete@Ed. Oh, I have understood your point very well. I guess, we need to elect trustworthy and reasonable people and vote them out if they aren't. That's democracy as opposed to your extreme example of totalitarian China, or Christian Nationalists who attempt an insurrection to overthrow a democratically elected government, or states that trample on the rights of women. Americans are rightly concerned about freedom, but oddly enough rank only 17th on the world freedom index.
ReplyDeleteWhile waiting for an x-ray at the outpatient clinic, I was watching the news about Roe vx Wade. It made me cry, right there in the waiting room.
ReplyDeleteHuge percentage of abortions in USA are for black women. More abortions in 4 days than deaths from lynching in 80 years. It's the liberals plan to rid us of minorities.
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