Friday, November 29, 2013

I Have to See a Man About a Horse

Speaking of old phrases, both Sue and I are familiar with this one: "I Have to See a Man About a Horse."

(What?! Did you forget we were speaking of old idioms?! I am truly saddened.)

Both of us had English-born grandfathers, and both of us lived with them for a time. Both grandfathers used the phrase.

In my grandfather's context, at least the way that I perceived it, the saying meant: "I have something to attend to, and it's none of your business." Or at least, "I have something to attend to, and I can't be bothered getting into an explanation of just what it is."

To Sue, it was a polite way of excusing oneself to go to the bathroom.

So, who got it right?

It turns out that we both did, for the Urban Dictionary lists both definitions. Of course, I humbly note that my version is listed first. This thrills me to me end as I am not used to coming in first. Thankfully however, I am mollified to know that "the last shall be first" on that somewhat postponed meeting in the sky.

A quick internet search also revealed that the same question was asked on the English Language & Usage site where I learned a few tidbits*. These are direct quotes from the answers provided. Some of these answers referred to other internet sources.
  1. The earliest confirmed publication is the 1866 Dion Boucicault play Flying Scud in which a character knowingly breezes past a difficult situation saying, "Excuse me Mr. Quail, I can't stop; I've got to see a man about a dog.
  2.  The most common variation is to "see a man about a horse". Almost any noun can be substituted as a way of giving the hearer a hint about one's purpose in departing.
  3. During Prohibition in the United States, the phrase was most commonly used in relation to the consumption or purchase of alcoholic beverages.
  4. This has been a useful (and usefully vague) excuse for absenting oneself from company for about 150 years, though the real reason for slipping away has not always been the same. [...] From other references at the time [around 1866] there were three possibilities: 1) [the speaker] needed to visit the loo [...] 2) he was in urgent need of a restorative drink, presumed alcoholic; or 3) he had a similarly urgent need to visit his mistress.

    Of these reasons [...] the second became the most common sense during the Prohibition period. Now that society’s conventions have shifted to the point where none of these reasons need cause much remark, the utility of the phrase is greatly diminished and it is most often used in a facetious sense, if at all.
I have used the phrase from time to time, but it doesn't seem to work all that well in the present day, and I haven't used it extensively. Perhaps I will try harder though, as I like it.

Now . . . if you will excuse me, I have to go see a man . . .


*Tidbits is an interesting word, which prudish North Americans have alterred from the more British titbits. Both versions, refer to little bits of something, whether it be a little something to eat or a bit of news/gossip etc. Everywhere else they use the titbit variation. In Britain, many birds are called tits. This has sometimes led to some amusing (for puerile male minds anyway) exchanges on Flickr when Brits post bird photos.


Shammickite said...

I always heard it as " I've got to see a man about a dog". Not many horses around where I lived I suppose. And as for titbits.... There was a magazine in England called Titbits, a sort of gossip magazine I think.

TexWisGirl said...

the 3rd explanation was almost funny! 'urgent need'. yeah...

lime said...

thanks for stopping by my place. i grew up knowing the phrase as a euphemism for needing the bathroom. fun little exploration in etymology though.

Jackie said...

Loved reading this...
I, too, have heard it as "I have to see a man about a horse."
I hope you are having a good week.
Warmest smiles to you as the weekend approaches.

Hilary said...

I've heard it said about a horse and about a dog. My mother used the expression fairly often. Not much was any of my business. ;) Fun post, AC.

Mara said...

I only knew Sue's explanation: excuse oneself to go the bathroom. But only men! Mind you, I've heard many expressions to that purpose over the years (thanks to working in a male-oriented environment). All equally weird and wonderful.

troutbirder said...

That's a new one for me. I did recognize Land O Goshen though, I think from my Grandma....:)

Anonymous said...

I've heard "I've got to see a man about a horse", too. It could have meant anything, but where I'm from it mostly meant you wanted to leave where you were or you had to go to the bathroom.

Jimmie Earl said...

The men in my family always used the "horse" or the "dog." I think Mom was disgusted with us all. Being the only lady in a house full of "not-so-gentlemanly" men must have been a trial for her. But, on the other hand, she pretty much ruled the roost, so to speak.